New state, new man. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. And shes were so happy. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Jealousy was the motive. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Wow. We lived close to one another. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. And I have absolutely no sympathy. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. The state police dropped him as a suspect. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. The evidence was all there. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. I didnt believe it. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Book her. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. . False. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. Have you read the book? This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Oh my God. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. What a contrived case! The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. She should have received the death penalty imo. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Weak wages. THE COPS SET HER UP. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Your email address will not be published. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Its nine minutes into the video. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Sorry not sorry. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Patty is my cousin. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. . Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. I noticed quite a few errors myself. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. None. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. You seem to have a fragile ego. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. . And NOBODY saw her at all? And the obvious answer is not as you claim. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Until next time, cheers. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. Nobody said bodies were intact. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. I dont even know its Christmas.. Exactly Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Required fields are marked *. How would an intruder find it? Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. There are innocent people in prison. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. she didnt need to . In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Just one example. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. Beautifully said Cliff! Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Liesbeth Powers/The But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Its never been made clear. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. She also will never get to see them get married. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Unbloody vehicle. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Had there been a switch? She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Especially mice! Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. We really thought she was dead all those years. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. Nope. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. Traupman died in 2016. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Emailus. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Flaw in reasoning. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. . Search is on. It seems so, according to you.

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