Ive seen some FB exchanges from BP where like you say, she appears to be defending Mr X or at least in denial that he could be a suspect. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source weve ever had. 4-lane highway. The exact content of the messages can be viewed in the video below. We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. People really seem to take him at face value and think that because he is older, hes not capable of committing such a crime. Specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 PM. In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. There was posing. Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. Abby Williams and Libby German were found dead on Feb. 14, 2017. And humans are animals too. I get it. The only crime on Mr. Xs record is an expunged conviction for statutory rape from 1984 in Indiana when he 18 and the girl was 14. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? They dont say where they collected it from, but thats an important question. DELPHI, Ind. What is this guy, another Zodiac? Someone tries to fire the gun but it's a faulty bullet and it doesn't fire, or 2.) I find it very hard to believe either of the girls were targeted by anyone-everything about this case screams random attack by a killer who knew the most likely location to find female victims he could easily overpower. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. A brief clip of the man walking towards the girls on the Monon High Bridge Trail was released too. It could explain why there was such a drastic image change of BG from first sketch to second one. BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. He stayed to guard his truck. No. Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams. Amazingly, Libby German took a video of a man walking behind her and Abby Williams on the bridge, who is believed to be the killer. Staging- by definition means they were placed/posed pre or post mortem a certain way. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. I am going to bet dollars to donuts there will be a person arrested February 13th, 2022. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. Do you know why FSG was there at the trails; how long hed been there; how he got there; if he drove, what sort of car he drove and where he parked it. She feels he is a current POI who is working OT to divert attention away from himself and mislead the public. But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. I have seen very poor crime scene photos. In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. Hes innocent. They also acknowledge that SSA, or same sex attraction is a logical process for a lot of men. He was charged with child molestation, and was linked to the Delphi murders because of his strong resemblance to the man in the Delphi video, and a preliminary police sketch investigators had circulated of the suspect. Its buried under settlement and underbrush. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. Its more secure. He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. They talked to Ron and he allowed them to park on her land. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. Maybe he sent it to Libbys phone. Hindsight is 20-20 and this case might have been the one case out out of a million that might have borne fruit had they continued searching. Also, you develop better sources. I love you and the information youre releasing! It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? Shameful. But my opinion isnt worth anything. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. No, the other girl was also having sex with males and she also had a boyfriend. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims families to offer solace for their losses. See the sort of games these guys play? There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category. I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. However, these are all unconfirmed rumors. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. Daniel Nations, a registered Indiana sex-offender, was arrested in Colorado in September 2017 after threatening hikers with a hatchet. But he is also said to have shared his Anthony_shots password with others - including his father - and said his dad could be a prime suspect in the killings. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. I dont get it. High Robert, The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. He has not been charged in the Delphi case. Closeup of the 'fanny pack'. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Germans sister Kelsey tweeted early Friday: Just know how grateful I am to all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll County Prosecutors Office. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738939/Lori-Vallow-charged-conspiracy-commit-murder-death-fourth-husband-Arizona.html?fbclid=IwAR2haqAKhF0vqWzP2aKiNyDy14kIG7SCjPxtWVXndA3Dt49wvD5xXRByYT8. Where is the balance? This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. Similar murder conditions. The unusual position concepts of posing and staging a murder victim hav Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. I do not believe the girls were reported missing and the FBI was immediately called in. The manner of death has never been revealed. is that creepy guy still following us?. The manner of death has never been revealed. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). It doesnt seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason. Investigators tracked Logans activities on the day of the murders and determined he was not forthcoming. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. Besides, hes the wrong age, 27-28. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. I would like to know if he has any motorcycle club affiliation, especially regarding a certain outfit with a reputation to be feared around that area? The shocking new details about the murders that have rocked the community of Delphi, Indiana, for more than five years came to light in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Thank you! Throughout their investigation, an important piece of evidence discovered on Germans phone has aided in their search. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! If you wish to join, please go here. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. Every podcast is all about them! Makes no sense at all. Indiana State Police's analysis of Allen's gun "determined the unspent round located within two feet" of one of the victims "had been cycled through Richard M. Allen's Sig Sauer Model P226," the probable cause affidavit said. In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. When interviewed by police in 2017, Allen said he was on the trail on the afternoon of the murders, according to the probable cause affidavit. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com Investigators released a still image from the video and a chilling audio of the man telling the two girls: Go down the hill.. Is there a place on your site where you can pay/register? Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. Pay at least $20 for lifetime membership to my PayPal. I see that you have replied to someone after mine, I am genuinely curious about this difference in graduation dates and would like to chat. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. The 50-year-old from Delphi was taken into custody on Friday and booked into Carroll County Jail. Well, guess what? Photo: Courtesy Mike and Becky Patty. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. Are you speculating? I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. The girls bodies were discovered on his . Robert Lindsay is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! The bodies were found on property belonging to Ronald Logan. Young girls menstrual cycles can be so messed up until possibly a few years later. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victims phone is proven. Yes, I know. . There are 244 comments there. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. Because no debt or grudge or anything can ever justify 2 little girls being murdered. He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. Kline - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. DELPHI, Ind. The case for Mr. X is as solid as ever. I guess Im not sure when he graduated. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Unless he made them undress -- which I guess is possible -- was there some other weapon used?". We doubt if she did contact his wife. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. Dont pay any attention to that.. Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. He's charged with two counts of murder and has entered a not guilty plea. Within a ditch along a country road on her way home from school shortly after her murder. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. I see T. Neighboring state. Something to think about. Drunkard perhaps. But no, that was not the case. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. They always came home. it would have been nice to track the boot prints around the cemetery to the crime scene to the river but I would assume all that evidence is gone. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Theyre not that common. She has been featured in Psychic Investigators, Paranormal Witness, and interviewed by Nancy Grace! Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names. Thank you! Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. Could be something more nefarious. I showed a few friends who knew nothing of the case and they didnt see anything either. Who Is Kegan Kline, the Alleged Catfisher Being Investigated in Delphi Girls' Murder Case? Im not familiar with Indiana; Ive never been there. Thats not very many. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. The Narcotics detective did not work on the case. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. The reason why I didnt send the letter was because I was moving across country and strongly felt as though law enforcement would not take my views seriously. I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable Please email if you do not want to reply here. Unverified. Do we know who this is and why he'd have photos? Possibly works with kids. I cant see where this is! Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. Besides being psycho. According to Leaker, this is correct. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there. We have 250 members in our group. Expelled From Law School, Dad Convicted of Mom & Brothers Murder. Apparently claimed that he saw Mr. X in another town around the time of the murders. But the scanner doesnt say she came to bring the keys. Since Allen's arrest, it was also revealed that his home was less than two miles from the Delphi train bridge where Williams and German were last seen alive. No one else reacted that way. He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. We also dont know the name of the hotel or motel that they stayed in. I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. I believe Mr. X is the guy. The fact that the mere mention of FSG as anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well, that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from true crime enthusiasts on Reddit. I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. You made a mistake my friend. "We will get answers. "No, that's not her nor Libby," he wrote in his text response. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. Correct. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they wont take it to trial. There is no proof that the bodies are posed but the speculation of what it could mean if they were posed is worth discussion. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. You came over here after sitting over of that hate Reddit, LibbyandAbby where youve been hating on me. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. I dont know, FIELDS! It was all over by 3:30. Then again, what if it wasnt? Now he says he never saw BG at all. He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. This March marks the 30 th anniversary of the murder of 21 year-old Penn State student, Dana Bailey. (Images via the FBI). Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. He will crack soon. Background to the Delphi Murders On Monday, February 13th, 2017, at around 1 pm, Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off near the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. Best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, lost a lot of blood during their murders with an unspecified weapon and were not killed in the same location where their bodies were discovered close to a trail where they had set off on a fun day out together just hours earlier. Do you feel that the KAK (Anthony_shots) announcement is a red herring or that its linked to the Delphi murders? Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. We just sent a couple of our investigators out to Delphi and surrounding towns. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. I strongly believe them to be fake. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. I almost feel as though LE doesnt want to solve this crime, and that scares me. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. Indiana State Police and the. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. There is a lot of controversy about that but it does appear that you can hear on the audio, Is that creepy guy still following us?. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. The suspected pedophile - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him.

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